Sunil Kaushal, the new Co-Head for Corporate and Investment Banking at Standard Chartered, has been with the group since 1998 and in the banking business for the last 36 years. In a chat with us in February this year, when he was Regional CEO for Africa and the Middle East, he talked about the bank’s strategies in the emerging markets of Africa, where he has been traveling to for the last two decades. Seated on Ghanaian-inspired sofas in his Dubai office – boasting a full view of the iconic Museum of the Future and the walls adorned with art from Africa – he also spoke about his simple, straightforward leadership style and what drives him to wake up at 4AM every day. Excerpts from the interview:



Focus on Africa including launching digital banks across nine markets 



Africa has been one of our most important markets in terms of differentiation. We consider our presence there to be very strategic and important. We are in all of Asia; the only bank in every ASEAN market&#8230; But when you talk about Africa, each country is different in its own way. Africa is not without challenges but it has been very resilient as well. I do believe that setbacks and a host of political as well as governance issues have resulted in Africa not performing to its potential, but hopefully, in the coming years, that will change… There’s huge potential in terms of demographics, infrastructure and technology; many markets have leapfrogged.



We remain very constructive on Africa, but are also conscious about the challenges there and have navigated them, because we’ve made those risk calls way ahead of the actual events happening. We repositioned our business eight to 10 years ago on the retail side towards digital, [when] there was no rush to get it done, but we made that call early on, and took some difficult decisions. And the last seven to eight years, for every award for digital banking across every category, Standard Chartered has stood out. Africa is a very dynamic market; it requires you to have a good feel for the pulse on the ground. Big changes are happening but the continent needs a lot more in the years to come, and that’s where the fantastic opportunity is.



On the growing Middle East-Africa ties



Not many people are aware that the Middle East has been investing in Africa in a pretty significant way; from investments in mines to ports to logistics. Basically, you step back and look at what’s happening is that Africa is a big market and this part of the world (the Middle East) has got the capital, and of course, it produces energy, petroleum and petroleum products. And there’s a market there waiting to be tapped, and they’re creating their linkages. We work with clients here and one of the topics in all our meetings with the government is around access into Africa, and there are not many banks that will provide that. So it is broad-based, it is capital being invested, it is products being sold, it is assets that are being acquired. So, there’s a whole area of activity taking place and it’s only going to increase, as they get a better understanding of the continent, and you get comfortable with doing business on the continent. We have to remember that the perceived risk of Africa is much higher than the actual risk and you can only appreciate that when you’re on the ground.



Promoting young entrepreneurs



I don’t think there’s any magic formula to it. We need to support the creation of business opportunities in the economy itself. If you really develop the African Continental Free Trade Area agreement, there will be more trade, more manufacturing, more entrepreneurs; if you invest in digitization, digital platforms themselves will create self-employment opportunities for entrepreneurs to come up with new, innovative ways of selling. So, I think it’s very important to create the enabling environment. Of course, the provision of finance is very important. And again, that gets allocated and becomes available if you have the right institutions, the right governance frameworks, the ability to lend in a transparent way or in an informed way, and get your money back when it’s due. So, finance is very important as well in terms of being one of the building blocks to really promote entrepreneurship. We try to do our bit through the Futuremakers Program, which was my focus, for education, employability and creating opportunities. We worked with various institutions to incubate firms, provide them small amounts of finance, hand-hold them in terms of how they manage businesses, governance, etc. We are doing our bit, but there’s lots to be done. And I think it’s a broader ecosystem that you create, which will then ensure that businesses take advantage of that.



Mentoring young people within the organization



We have started creating a very structured way of building the talent pipeline at various levels. We have a leadership program to mentor and interact with our talent in Africa and the Middle East. The idea is that they get opportunities to work on different projects. They have an opportunity to interact with senior regional management teams, and the progress is tracked based on performance and on the leadership skills in the sectors we serve. It’s a formal program, and we’re very proud about it, and now, it’s adopted globally. And then we have another program that’s more targeted with a smaller cohort, which is building a pipeline for very senior roles. And they are then addressed by the global management team, which I am also part of, and tracked very closely in terms of opportunities. Both cohorts would be in the running whenever big opportunities come on.



Perspectives on sustainability and climate change



The bank is deeply engaged. And I generally feel that in all forms of financing we do, sustainability is going to play a big part and link to climate change. But it’s broader than just climate change transition. It’s adaptation. And ESG investing. It is around how we manage in a way that our portfolios are well-protected. So, we’ve made various commitments around the financing. We have created a new business line out of it, and I think it’s going to be the most exciting, which is sustainable finance. It is an opportunity for us to really differentiate ourselves because we have started early. And we invest a lot in our people, in our products, and the accolades we receive are a testament that we are doing extremely well.



Personal leadership style 



It’s more about ensuring that when you have a strategy in place, execution becomes very important. And that comes through straightforward, simple communication and a sharp focus on delivery. That’s very important. Otherwise, I find you waste a lot of time in conversations without action. My own leadership style would be to really get the best out of people by engaging them and getting the buy-in on a common purpose. Otherwise, you sort of lose them. You can have very fancy aspirations, but if your team is not aligned or doesn’t buy in, it’s going to be extremely difficult. So, invest time to really get the alignment. Once you do, you need to focus on delivery. If you’re firm and fair, people generally see it and deliver their best. So, mine is a pretty straightforward, simple, no-nonsense style.



My approach always has been, ‘don’t come up with problems’, because that’s the easiest way – to outsource your problems to your boss, and I have zero time for that. If you come with a problem, also come with a solution. If you don’t have the solution, don’t come with the problem. So, it forces people to think two steps ahead. It’s not that I don’t like to hear what the problems are, but then come up and say, ‘listen, if this is a problem, let’s try and do it this way, and I think it will work’. To me, that’s a more intelligent conversation. It’s my job then to clear the blockages and get them the resources to make that happen. I’m not expecting every junior person to have access to all the resources, but at least come up with ideas and become more stimulating. People appreciate that.



On the entrepreneurial mindset



That’s extremely important, but you also have to be nimble enough. You should recognize that if a certain thing is not working, even if you’re invested in it, you should have the ability to move on and be vulnerable enough to do that than say, ‘no, I’ll persist, and I’ll persist’. It does not mean you’re not tenacious. You have to be tenacious, but if you realize that you have made a mistake, you should have the humility to accept it and then move on and change course. [One of the] big things that kill people at top positions is ego. Particularly in this region, where things keep changing so dynamically, make a call. You get your best shot. If you realize you made a mistake, change course.



Secret to staying the course



Endurance! There is no shortcut to success. My advice to all youngsters is, first of all, ask yourself, ‘what are you trying to really achieve, and are you really good at it?’ And then, ‘are you investing enough on a daily basis to master it?’ Because if you’re saying ‘I’m going to be the number one in payments or cyber or digital’, then invest every day and try to be the best at it. Because this is something which builds on, it has the flywheel effect, once you’ve accumulated the knowledge base.



Growing up in Mumbai



My father was an engineer and from a family of doctors, so, when I took up finance, I was told that there’s nobody in the family who can help me as there was no one in finance. From my early teens, I decided I wanted to be a banker, I had no other desire. My father worked for a steel company, and we lived in this community close to the steel factory, and I used to visit his office, in town at Nariman Point, and I used to see all these fancy banks, you know, people in suits and ties. They dealt with money and I said, ‘okay, what do I need to do to deal with money?’ So, I learned finance. My very first job was at American Express in Mumbai and then I went to New York. But I was ambitious to learn about every facet of banking: treasury markets, corporate banking, retail banking&#8230;



Anecdotes on your first job



I used to dress up very well, always in dark blue. Those days, you had to travel in the Mumbai local train [to get to work], so I would fold my jacket and put it in my briefcase, and wore it at work. I did that for a year or so before getting my own first car, a Premier Padmini, which I loved.



Coming to the Middle East in 1998



That’s when the entire Sheikh Zayed Road stretch was developing. There was nothing but sand, and they said, ‘we’re going to have 700 buildings’. Dubai is a phenomenal story, [because of ] the leadership and there are so many lessons to learn from it. I am a big fan of Dubai.



Thoughts when you wake up everyday



That I want to make a difference. The one thing I can do sitting at the top is clear the blockages. And I say it with all sincerity. Many a time, people don’t tell you the full picture, so, you kind of probe them, or try to use your connections to figure out what’s blocking things. Because this is a great bank. It has a great history and massive potential. We are in the world’s most dynamic market. We are a super connector of capital, trade, etc. Not many banks can claim to have that, so how do you really clear the blockages? What frustrates me sometimes is if you’re not getting things done quickly.



Idea of relaxation



I play golf. I’m a very relaxed person. I sleep at 9.30PM and get up at four o’clock. I am able to switch off every day as you should. I love to go for holidays in Africa. I’ve traveled to South Africa many times but would love to do Serengeti, Masai Mara and Victoria Falls.

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